The Power of Pivots with Dr. Danny Brassell on Transforming Setbacks into Success

In this engaging conversation, Rob Pene interviews Dr. Danny Brassell, a renowned educator and speaker, who shares his journey from overcoming personal challenges to becoming a motivational speaker and author. Dr. Brassell discusses the importance of adaptability, the significance of reading, and innovative strategies for parents to foster a love for reading in their children. He emphasizes the power of storytelling and the impact of positive role models in education.

Takeaways

▶️ Dr. Brassell's journey is marked by numerous pivots and adaptations.

▶️ Overcoming stuttering was a significant challenge that shaped his communication skills.

▶️ His college experience was transformative, leading him to unexpected opportunities.

▶️ Writing books about reading strategies became a passion for Dr. Brassell.

▶️ Engaging children in reading requires innovative and relatable approaches.

▶️ Parents play a crucial role in fostering a love for reading in their children.

▶️ The importance of reading aloud to children cannot be overstated.

▶️ Dr. Brassell's program emphasizes the significance of daily reading habits.

▶️ Success in reading is linked to the amount of time spent reading.

▶️ Dr. Brassell encourages parents to model positive reading habits for their kids.

Quotables

⭐ "Don't let anybody ever tell you what you cannot do."

⭐ "Failure is not an option."

⭐ "I want them to choose to do it because they love it."

⭐ "The average was just over 20 minutes a day."

⭐ "I always tell this to parents."

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Dr. Danny Brassell

02:00 The Journey of Pivots and Adaptation

07:50 Overcoming Challenges: Stuttering and Communication

10:00 College Years and Early Influences

11:31 The Birth of a Writer: First Book and Motivation

13:58 Innovative Approaches to Reading Enrichment

24:03 Resources for Parents and Conclusion

Connect with Dr. Danny Brassell

http://freegiftfromdanny.com

Transcript

Rob Pene (00:01.182)
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when I was trying to get my teaching credential. And I remember the name because he was actually one of the better professors that I've ever sat under ever, because entertaining, encouraging. In fact, he's rehealy known as the Jim Carrey in the education space because he's so entertaining, but also knowledgeable. He's spoken to over 3,500 audiences worldwide over the globe, like 3,500 audiences. Imagine one audience has 3,500 people in it. Crazy.

written over 15 books, right? This guy's a genius. And I really want to dig into his story because I want to learn what made him and influenced him to be who he is because he's an absolute powerhouse. So Dr. Bracell, I'm so grateful to have you. Appreciate you being here.

Dr. Danny Brassell (01:44.591)
Well, thank you so much for having me, Rob. You're giving me a big head. I really appreciate all that you do. You're a motivated person and I appreciate that you're spreading some joy across the world. We need a lot more of you and a lot less of that horrible show I was watching on TV the last week called The News. So keep on spreading the good word, my friend.

Rob Pene (02:00.93)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So to get us started, I like to ask this question just to kind of get the wheels turning. But in the last 12 months, if you were to look at the last 12 months of your life and you were to turn that into a Netflix special, what would that movie be and what would you title it?

Dr. Danny Brassell (02:23.185)
I think the movie, well, probably the movie of my life, I think the title's got to be called Pivots because I've been a jack of all trades and master of none. I'm always going from one thing to another. And I always, I believe that the windshield is a lot bigger than the rear view mirror. So I'm always optimistic about the present and the future. And I have very little patience for the past.

Rob Pene (02:44.588)
Yeah, okay, that's good. And you've done a lot and you're really known in the education space, the leadership space, and just in the speaking world. I'd like to kind of dive into how did that all get started? Were you a great speaker when you were like five years old or something, or like as an elementary, you know, how did you get into speaking and teaching and leadership?

Dr. Danny Brassell (03:06.833)
Well, before I get into that, I'll give you a story. So I was speaking, this was about 2018, I was in India speaking at a bunch of schools and got all the kids pumped up at one school and afterwards this one little boy looks up at me and he has tears in his eyes. He's about six years old and I noticed he's missing his left arm and he looks up at me, he's like, well, how can I succeed? And so I crouched down, I get to his eye level and I say, you know, when I was your age,

I went to 18 different schools before I was 12 years old. Everybody called me stupid because I stuttered. And eventually I went to a school where a teacher took me one-on-one and worked on my stutter with me. She would actually sing things to me and I would sing them back, kind of like the movie, The King's Speech. And eventually I lost my stutter and I became a swan. But I looked at that little boy and I said, isn't it interesting that the little boy that everybody said was stupid?

because he couldn't talk right now gets paid ridiculous sums of money to travel the world to do what? And he gets the biggest grin on his face. He's like, speak. I'm like, don't let anybody ever tell you what you cannot do. So that's really been kind of the guiding, the guiding.

I don't know what I'm even trying to say, a guiding point for my life. I've had lots of pivots. You probably don't even know this about me before. I was a teacher over 30 years ago. I was a journalist. I covered President Bush Senior on the 1992 presidential election, and I had the greatest job ever. I got to meet every editor of every major newspaper in America, and I got...

offered all these different jobs from different major dailies. And one daily, they offered me to do the city beat for $16,500 a year. Well, a friend told me they were hiring teachers in South Central Los Angeles and Compton for $25,000 a year. So Rob, I became a teacher for the noblest of reasons, for the high pay. And I love teaching. I've taught all age levels. I can always say from preschoolers to rocket scientists. I eventually...

Rob Pene (04:57.902)
Hmm.

Dr. Danny Brassell (05:10.653)
started teaching people like you at the university. I still am a faculty advisor at Cal State Teach, where I help people get their credentials. But then in 2005, my wife and I attended a real estate seminar, which turned out to be a scam, and we lost everything. And I could sit there and focus on all the negatives, but I'm a positive person. So I look at all the good things that happened. First of all, my wife is my soulmate. She stuck by me when...

She didn't need to, she's a great human being. Second of all, I no longer place so much emphasis on money, because I realize now you can lose it all in just a second. Third, I try not to judge other people, because if I was somebody looking at what I did, I would have said, well, you deserve that. But now, Rob, I realize if you don't know everything about a person, you don't know anything about a person. Fourth, I became a Christian, which I'm always embarrassed to say, but the more I read the Bible, I'm not the first screw up to find Jesus.

Rob Pene (05:48.376)
What is?

Rob Pene (06:00.877)
Yeah

Dr. Danny Brassell (06:07.365)
And fifth, and this is the most important thing for this conversation was I didn't want to have to file bankruptcy. And my accountant at the time said, well, in order not to file bankruptcy, you have to make this much more money a year. So I started speaking on the side and I hit the number right on the number that he gave me. Well, the next year, Rob, he gave me a much higher number and I hit that number right on the number.

So in year three, I thought, well, maybe I should set a higher number. And basically during one of the worst economic downturns in American history, I was able to build up a speaking business, which was very prosperous up until 2020 when a thing called COVID came out and people asked me, well, how's your speaking business doing? I'm like, wow, the way I lost 200 speaking engagements overnight because they just shut down the world, I had to make another pivot. And so for years,

people that asked me to coach them in speaking. I always resisted because I think you know this about me, Rob. I have a very high standard for my students. I'm gonna encourage you, but I'm also gonna keep you accountable and I want you to succeed. Failure is not an option. I love the movie Apollo 13. Failure is not an option. I need you to succeed. And it's kind of one of the reasons I left teaching was because I could have...

Rob Pene (07:01.699)
Yeah

Dr. Danny Brassell (07:20.773)
of my 33 students, 31 of them could be above grade level at the end of the year, but I always focus on the two that I didn't get there because I felt personally accountable for that. Well, it's been a real treat because I work with entrepreneurs and business leaders, people just like you and your audience, Rob, and I find that they're highly motivated and I'm actually loving it. And so that is a very long answer to your short question, but I guess the movie is going to be called Pivot's coming soon on Paramount Plus.

Rob Pene (07:50.324)
Yes, yes, yes, yes. Peacock and YouTube TV, all of the above. The stuttering problem was probably a big issue. And when did you realize like you kind of conquered it? And then at that pivotal point, did you also realize that you had an affinity towards communication in general, or did that come later?

Dr. Danny Brassell (07:54.269)
You

Dr. Danny Brassell (08:13.745)
Well, I've never met a microphone that I didn't like, Rob. As far as conquering it, you'll notice that I still haven't conquered it. I get excited. The reason I always had a stutter is I get excited and I speak quickly and it would slow me down. And I've kind of mastered it most of the time, but still when I get excited, and that's why I always try to slow down my speech because I have to consciously think about what I'm saying.

Rob Pene (08:43.414)
Now, where did the personality and the character come from? Like, cause you're very entertaining, you're joyous, right? And some of the stories and the jokes you tell, it hits home. Did that come early and during the earlier kind of struggle period or did you find it later?

Dr. Danny Brassell (09:02.875)
Well, I was always blessed. have great parents. Both of my parents were present in the home my entire life. My father's very quiet, soft-spoken, very probably the smartest person I ever met. if I have any brains that came from dad, but mom, she was an actress and people think I talk a lot. I never had a chance growing up. My mother is constantly, you know,

She's never received a piece of mail that she did not feel compelled to read aloud as every single person in the room. She'll be like, hey, Danny, remember Mrs. Huffmagle? She died four years before you were born. I just got a letter from her daughter. Let me read it to you. I have no interest in this whatsoever. But she was always very entertaining, very energetic. I've always had an optimistic outlook. When you have a mom that every morning wakes you up by singing.

from singing in the rain, good morning, good morning. I mean, drove me nuts. And now that I'm a parent, I realize I do the same dang thing to my kids.

Rob Pene (10:00.818)
Yeah, that's cool. That's cool. I know that the college timeline is usually a formative years for people when they kind of learn skill sets and all that. Can you walk me through what that was like for you so I can get a picture of how things were for you like during your college years?

Dr. Danny Brassell (10:19.549)
Well, college was great for me. It's kind of an interesting story. All I wanted to do was go to Yale when I was in high school. I had the grades, I had the test scores, I had the letters of recommendation, I had all of the school activities. And I remember on a Tuesday afternoon,

I got my rejection letter from Yale. Well, at the time I was a pretty good football player and I'd been recruited by a lot of universities to play football. And I was a stubborn 17 year old. So I went alphabetically down the list and I looked for the very first university without a football team, which was American University in Washington, DC. I got in, it was a total fluke. It turned out to be one of the best decisions of my life because I fell in love with Washington, DC. I made all kinds of great friends. It gave me a different...

Rob Pene (10:45.218)
you

Dr. Danny Brassell (11:10.397)
perspective because I was coming from the Western United States. I think you need those different perspectives from different places. And so college was very formative for me. And yeah, I wouldn't change a thing. I'm not a person that lives with regrets. I'm a person that looks at everything and it's just a stepping stone for what's next.

Rob Pene (11:31.456)
Nice. And then from there, obviously, dovetailed into working with the politicians and kind of in that space. And then you wrote some books. Books is huge. Obviously, we learned from some of them. What? Where did the idea for your first book come from and what was it?

Dr. Danny Brassell (11:37.009)
Yeah, man.

Dr. Danny Brassell (11:40.517)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Danny Brassell (11:52.296)
So my very first book, I co-wrote with a professor who his contribution to the book was his biography and nothing else. So anything he ever wrote, I questioned if he was actually writing it. So these were academic books. My first books were all about like reading strategy. You know that with me, reading is my passion, getting kids, you know.

I think schools do an adequate job of teaching kids how to read, but the question I always ask people is what good is it teaching a kid how to read if they never want to read? I teach kids why to read because I've never had to tell a kid, go turn on the TV. I've never had to tell a kid, go play a video game. And I never want to have to tell a kid, go read. I want them to choose to do it because they love it. And there's simple strategies I've used with all of my students and how I train parents and teachers how to get their students excited about reading. I wrote a lot of...

Rob Pene (12:22.081)
the music.

Dr. Danny Brassell (12:42.429)
reading books. I wrote some books about my teaching experiences and then lately I've been having a lot of fun. I wrote the book, Leadership Begins with Motivation. So when I taught middle school, I was the only teacher in the school that none of my students were ever tardy.

And the reason was because I always started off class by reading a lot of Paul Harvey stories. So I'm much older than you, Rob. You probably don't remember Paul Harvey. But when I was a kid, every day at 12, 15 on the radio, Paul Harvey would come on and say, I'm Paul Harvey with the rest of the story. And for five minutes, you're trying to figure out who's he talking about or what's the business or place he's talking about. And my students absolutely love these things. But the problem with Paul Harvey is a lot of his stories are about like Sears and Roebuck.

Well, Kid Today doesn't even know what Sears Roebuck is. And so when I wrote Leadership Begins with Motivation, I wrote this book because I wanted to update it with people that the kids were more familiar with, like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos and stuff like that. Well, after I wrote that book, I read it and I realized completely unintentionally, most of my stories were of white male Americans. And so the latest book that I wrote,

Rob Pene (13:55.598)
Mmm.

Dr. Danny Brassell (13:58.269)
is called Misfits and Crackpots. And this book, most of the stories in this book are about like women, minorities, and international people. Because I think kids need to see those different types of role models. And actually, really another motivation for Rob was I was walking through Barnes and Noble one day through the young adult section. And every book was about date rape or suicide or...

dystopian society and I'm like no wonder teenagers are screwed up. They're reading nothing but negative stuff and so I wanted to give them a book about well here's how people just like you were able to rise well above what their expectations or anybody else's expectations were for them.

Rob Pene (14:39.574)
And you co-founded a program that's one of the leading reading enrichment programs all over the world. But you have a really interesting approach because it's not just teaching the children how to fall in love with reading, but it's actually teaching the parents to buy in as well. Can you talk a little bit about that?

Dr. Danny Brassell (14:55.623)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Danny Brassell (14:59.357)
Yeah, I used to run a nonprofit called Real Dads Read and I used to always challenge dads. I'm like, hey dads, you wanna know why your kids like football so much? It's the only time you spend with them. If you spent your time reading to your kids, the kids would wanna be readers. know, my pastor used to say something which I loved. He'd say, parents, you have the greatest home field advantage in the history of the planet. You could be the worst parent ever and your kid doesn't know it.

Rob Pene (15:09.398)
Wow.

Dr. Danny Brassell (15:24.049)
to them, you're just mom or dad. And I think the same goes for teachers. You could be a bad teacher, but all the kids in your classroom, you're their teacher. That's what they think. And so it's really important to me, my program in just over two months, I show parents how to get their kids to read more, read better, and most importantly, to love reading. So I'll give you a couple of ninja strategies. President Bush Senior, over 30 years ago, signed a very important law in this country. It says every television set in America has to have closed captioning.

Rob Pene (15:44.599)
Hmm.

Dr. Danny Brassell (15:53.629)
So the first strategy I share with parents is turn on the closed captioning on your TV. And when I'm doing a live training, parents will ask, well, wait a sec, if the show is in English and the subtitles are in English, what good does that do? I'm like, well, that's a fair point, but let me make a point. Have you ever watched a show with subtitles and not looked at the subtitles? It's actually very difficult to do. Your brain is directed towards the text and there's actual research.

that proves this point. If you look at reading test scores around the world, the more kids watch TV, the lower their reading scores are in every single country on the planet, except for one. The country where the kids watch the most TV also has the highest reading scores. It's Finland. And people always ask me, well, how can that be? I'm like, well, it's because Finland makes really bad TV shows. And so what they have to do is they import all these old American sitcoms like Good Times and Happy Days, and they have to translate it into Finnish.

Rob Pene (16:32.972)
Mm. Mm.

Dr. Danny Brassell (16:46.257)
The kids are sitting there reading the television all the time. So that's an easy strategy that any parent can implement in their home. You know, there's two numbers that are the cornerstone of the program. Those numbers are 67 and 20. And so a lot of people will tell you it takes 21 days to change a habit. And so those people I say, show me the research on that. It's completely fabricated number. I know exactly where it comes from. Comes from a wonderful book written in 1960.

Rob Pene (16:50.701)
Now!

Dr. Danny Brassell (17:12.711)
called Psycho-Cybernetics by Dr. Maxwell Maltz. Now, in the preface of that book, Dr. Maltz was a plastic surgeon, and he noted in the preface that he noticed that most of his patients, it took him about 21 days to get used to their new faces. Well, a lot of self-help gurus, personal development maestros, people that I respect, by the way, they started telling people it takes 21 days to change a habit. There's absolutely no research to demonstrate that. So.

In 2009, the University of London did a habit study to see how long it takes people to form habits. And they determined it took anywhere from 18 to 254 days to change a habit. And the average was 66 days. I don't like the number 66, so I threw in a bonus day, 67 days to change a habit. And it depends on the type of habit you're trying to change. So for example, if you want to drink a glass of water before breakfast, that might take 18 days to form that habit. But if you want to quit smoking,

That could take 254 days. And here's why this is very important for everybody to understand this, Rob. Let's say you go on diet. You follow it religiously for 21 days, but then on day 22, you fall off the wagon. Well, you blame yourself. That's wrong because the research shows it takes at least three times longer than that to form a habit. So that's the first number I always point out to parents. Our program is designed 67 days, just over two months to get your kid reading more. Second number is 20.

So researchers were looking at students around the world. They wanted to figure out what helped successful students succeed. And they stumbled upon a characteristic that floored them. It was the number of minutes spent reading outside of school. So they looked at the low kids, the average kids, and the high kids. So the low kids, 20th percentile, some of your worst students, F students, bottom feeders, they averaged less than a minute a day reading outside of school. Well, that didn't surprise anybody. It's probably why they're at the bottom of the class.

Rob Pene (19:04.877)
Hmm.

Dr. Danny Brassell (19:07.719)
but the next number shocked researchers. The kids in the middle of the class, the 70th percentile, C students, your average students, they average 9.6 minutes a day reading outside of school. So when I'm doing a live training, this is when the audience gets real quiet and the first parent raises a hand and says, wait a second, are you saying if I can get my kid to read 10 minutes a day at home, I can take them from an F to a C? That's exactly what I'm saying. There is a lot of research to support this.

But the next number floored the researchers. The kids near the top of the class, 90th percentile, A minus students, some of your best students, do they spend three hours a day reading outside of school for fun? No. Do they average an hour a day? No. The average was just over 20 minutes a day. 20 minutes a day, that's what we're aiming for when we're parents. And there's two things that I always love to tell people. First of all, those minutes don't have to be consecutive. So you can do three minutes here, five minutes there.

Second of all, the research shows us that being read aloud to is just as powerful as reading on your own. And so like I'll suggest to parents, if it takes you 10 minutes to drive your kids to and from school every single day, well, you just covered your 20 minutes if you put in an audio book back and forth. There's all kinds of easy ways to do that. It's the 20 minutes. You know, I have three kids and when the kids were really little, I created a habit for the kids was,

Rob Pene (20:04.558)
you

Dr. Danny Brassell (20:31.685)
I believe television's here to stay. And so my kids are allowed to watch the TV, but the price of admission is they have to bring me something to read. And so when they were little, they'd bring me picture books and I'd read aloud the picture book to them. Now they're all older and late teens, twenties. And so they'll bring me like their iPad or their a newspaper article or something. They're still doing it because it's a habit. You know, it's all about how do we, how do we model positive habits for our kids? I mean, if you're sitting there,

in front of your kids and you wonder why your kids are cursing all the time. Well, you don't have to be rocket scientist to figure that out. So again, that's a very long answer, but this is what I do with parents and it doesn't really take a lot to get kids excited. Here's the other thing I always tell people. When I was teaching second grade, I had a little boy named Chiara and Chiara's first grade teacher told me, Chiara don't know nothing. I'm like, well, thank you for that. Well, yeah, Chiara who don't know nothing.

Rob Pene (21:05.186)
Thank

Rob Pene (21:26.87)
Dr. Danny Brassell (21:29.949)
This was a long time ago, Rob. He comes into my classroom one day, like, hey, Mr. Bissell, you see, Barclay last night, had 18 points, 16 boards. I'm like, thank you, Kiara. Because from that day forward, every day after lunch, I'd sit him on my lap, we'd read the LA Times sports page together, and by the end of the year, Kiara was one of my best readers. you know, do I think Shakespeare's important? Yes, but before you get the kid to Shakespeare, you gotta get him hooked. I always tell this to parents.

Rob Pene (21:49.218)
Yeah.

Dr. Danny Brassell (21:57.979)
The little boy who only reads Captain Underpants is going to become a better reader than the little boy who refuses to read anything. Captain Underpants is the gateway drug to Shakespeare, but you gotta get the kid hooked first. And so we're always looking for way, I mean, I used to volunteer downtown at a juvenile detention facility for teenage girls. And they said, there's no way you're gonna get these girls reading. Well, it took me a week, And the way I was able to get them to read was if you...

Rob Pene (22:19.212)
in

Dr. Danny Brassell (22:22.393)
If you read in the back of Us Magazine, there's this thing called the Fashion Police, where it's all these comedians ripping on celebrity outfits on the red carpet. These girls could not get enough of that. They were going crazy laughing and stuff. Hey, that's how we got them hooked. I mean, I've gotten a lot of boys hooked on reading by starting with football cards, you know, whatever turns them on. Let's figure, you know, the research is also very clear on this. It doesn't matter what you read. What matters is how much you read. It doesn't matter if you're reading

Rob Pene (22:42.797)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Danny Brassell (22:51.901)
James Joyce or James and the Giant Peach, people who read more read better. And again, being read aloud to, I mean, I work with a lot with dyslexics. A lot of people don't realize that, you know, 60 % of reading disabilities are usually dyslexia. Dyslexia, like all reading disabilities, is curable. But what you have to understand is dyslexics tend to process information a lot better with their ears. And so rather than forcing the kid to read on their own, I'm giving them audible books all the time. they're, they're avid, I mean, you look at some of the most successful people in society and business, you've got people.

Rob Pene (23:11.896)
Huh?

Dr. Danny Brassell (23:20.251)
Like Sir Richard Branson is dyslexic. In entertainment, people like Tom Cruise and Whoopi Goldberg and Sylvester Stallone are dyslexic. George Washington was dyslexic. So you're in good company. You know this about me. I hate people telling me you can't. The people that tell me you can't, they just don't know how to. There's always a way. We always find that way. I'm sorry, I get passionate about this.

Rob Pene (23:29.483)
Thank you.

Rob Pene (23:36.035)
Mm-hmm.

Mmm.

Rob Pene (23:43.79)
This is great. This is great. So for parents that are interested in finding these programs, do they have to go to like a school or a school district to ask about them or will they they can just find you online? How are they able to identify where that program is and ask questions and learn about it?

Dr. Danny Brassell (24:03.133)
Well, as a thank you for listening to me, Rob, I wanted to give everybody a couple of freebies. So if they go to freegiftfromdanny.com, again, freegiftfromdanny.com, I'm gonna give everybody a complimentary e-copy of my book, Read, Lead, and Succeed. This is a book, I wrote it for an elementary school principal who was trying to keep his faculty and staff positively engaged. So I said, okay, I'll write you a book. So every week I give you a concept, an inspirational quote,

an inspirational story, a book recommendation on a book you should read, but you're probably too lazy because you're an adult. So I also give you a children's picture book recommendation demonstrates the same concept. You read that in five minutes. I'm also going to give everybody access to a five day reading challenge. I did online last summer for about 700 parents around the world where every day for an hour, I give you exactly the same types of strategies that you can get my reading habit program. you know, cause it,

what we're trying to do is we're trying to get kids excited about reading because the more excited you are to read, the more likely you are to read. And the more you read, the better you get. So you can get all that at free gift from danny.com. And Rob, this has just been a treat. I'm so excited to see you and I love all that you're doing and just keep on doing it, my friend.

Rob Pene (25:18.476)
Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Is there a LinkedIn or a Instagram that you want to send them to or can they just go right to your website and they'll be able to find everything there?

Dr. Danny Brassell (25:27.449)
believe me, if they go to freegiftfromdanny.com, they'll be on some kind of email list for the rest of eternity, I'm pretty sure. But if they just need to know my name, I'm Danny Broussel. My last name is really easy to remember how to spell. Spell like bras, cell. No, I never took any grief over that as a child. So Danny Broussel. yeah, if you go to freegiftfromdanny.com, I'm sure we'll spam you for the rest of eternity.

Ha ha.

Rob Pene (25:58.038)
Yep, that works. We like spam. Yep, spam and rice. Spam and rice. Cool. Well, it was a pleasure. This was definitely a treat. There's a lot of gems in here. I think I really like the part of you growing up and kind of facing the adversity and giving them some tools on how to overcome it. So I appreciate this and so grateful for you to be here. Thank you.

Dr. Danny Brassell (26:21.681)
Thank you, Rob. God bless.

Rob Pene (26:24.044)
You too.