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Nice To Meet You | The Stories That Shape Us
Be Alink Shares The Secret Frequency of the Jungle That Rewires Your Mind
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In this profound conversation, Rob Pene sits down with BE Alink, a "gender weirdo" inventor, author, and humanitarian. BE shares her incredible journey from the slums of Kenya to the ruins of Afghanistan, ultimately leading to a mystical "download" in the Amazon jungle.
This episode explores the constructs of belief, the science of brain entrainment, and why BE Alink believes that fear is merely a control mechanism designed to keep us in a cycle of consumerism. Whether she is discussing the invention of the Alinker walking bike or her seven-part musical composition designed to trigger deep sleep and restoration, BE challenges us to step out of our "boxes" and anchor ourselves in love.
Key Highlights
- The Netflix Reflection: Why BE’s last 12 months are a story of "sensing and surrendering" to become a complete channel.
- The Symphony of the Jungle: The story behind a prolific seven-hour composition recorded in the Amazon to help people remember who they are.
- Lessons from Afghanistan: A life-altering encounter with an old woman in 2001 that taught BE about the "light" we find when we close our eyes.
- Fear as a Construct: Understanding how repetitive exposure to violence and scarcity normalizes fear, and why it doesn't actually exist in our hearts.
- The Science of Deep Sleep: How stress keeps our fight-or-flight system activated, and how frequency music can "trick" the brain into restorative sleep.
- Choosing Kindness: Why being a "sovereign person" in a capitalistic system requires conscious choices about what we consume and how we treat the earth.
- The Alinker: The origin of the walking bike that proves "mobility is medicine".
Connect with BE Alink
- Personal Website & Composition: bealink.world
- The Alinker: thealinker.com (or search "Alinker")
- Book & Audio: Memoirs (available on Spotify and major platforms)
01.474) All righty, welcome everybody. Rob here and I am with B. The ball is with, but where would it be? I think that's such a powerful statement and this term, right, is we can be and then when we have a powerful disposition, we can do better, right? When we have a strong, yeah, being. Now with that said, I do have a question that's gonna, essentially kickstart everything.
BE Alink (00:05.755) Hey, Rogue. Hmm.
Rob Pene (00:30.656) In the last 12 months, if you were to reflect back in the last 12 months and you were to turn that into a Netflix movie, what would your... Wow, yeah. What would your movie be about?
BE Alink (00:39.643) Whew. Good morning. 50.081) The movie would be about becoming a complete channel by sensing what's happening and just completely surrendering to what I can connect to when I stop thinking all the belief systems that we've been made to believe that keep us stuck in the box. Look at your face. Yes. Yeah, I've to elaborate a little bit on that.
Rob Pene (01:13.87) That's good.
BE Alink (01:20.249) I had a dream somewhere in the summer of 2025 and the dream was that I was in a room with a big paper around the wall like one and a half meter high and it was full of notations and I was wondering like what are the notations could they be sounds could that be music that I'm reading but it was different than just the music notes that we saw and I woke up with a feeling like I feel that I've seen a composition that exists already that I need to bring alive in this life. And then I've done plant medicine ceremonies and in plant medicine ceremonies you sort of open up to being connected to the collective rather than
Rob Pene (01:55.938) game.
BE Alink (02:14.243) as this person and all my thoughts are living in my head. They don't live in my head. And so the moment I committed to a to a full dieta in Peru, which is 11 days, not talking, not communicating and going being in the jungle and going through various grandmother, as we call Ayahuasca. It's a it's a master planned ceremonies. she started downloading stuff on me and it was all related to the composition and she started telling me what this composition specifically needed to be and I was like whoa this is actually happening and since I'm I mean I studied in the last few years brain entrainment frequency music, cinematic all that kind of stuff and that all comes together now in the composition so she instructed me to make recordings in the Amazon stereo audio recordings of the sounds of the jungle. And as I felt myself dissolving in the frequencies, because that's what our bodies understand, those frequencies, I realized that the dream that I had was the symphony of the jungle in all the different tones and all the different rhythms and melodies that I heard as I was laying in my little tambour there. And so since I'm back, which is half October, I've been prolifically making that composition to life. So recording here at home, mixing it, composing it, and it's seven parts of an hour each. There's a whole journey to, that starts at remembering who we are to transcending into oneness.
Rob Pene (03:57.24) Mmmmm
BE Alink (04:07.237) get rid of the conditioned stories of the belief systems that keep us stuck in this, you know, scarcity and fear. They're all constructs and we can undo those constructs. And, you know, actually you see it with the monks walking for peace now. It resonates with us because that's what we know. That's what we resonate on, on peace and love. And so this whole composition is coming through. Two parts have already been published, two of the hours. And the third one is, is, is on its way. And it's so that's my my my Netflix thing is about the composition and what this whole story is and it feels I'm 60 nearly 62 now in two weeks. It feels like everything that I've done in my life accumulates in this in this composition and makes me this person who can make this composition. It's really like it's a very interesting process. But that's like in short, that's the answer to your question.
Rob Pene (05:03.394) Yeah, I think I'm interested in knowing more about the conditioning and constructs of beliefs, because sometimes it's hard to determine what is a construct, what's been influenced into your life versus what you can decide, right? Because sometimes some people, they'll, like, I'm thinking about my kids and they play, they play, they play. and then one child will crack an egg or something. And then they'll say, no, it was her fault. If she didn't scare me, I wouldn't do that. And then now they didn't decide to do that thing, that cracked the egg, but it's somebody else's fault. How do we determine what's actually our control versus what's being controlled or influenced by the conditioning? Does that make sense?
BE Alink (06:04.517) Yes, I think everything actually. Because children when they're young enough, they have the curiosity and the wonder about things and they don't attach thoughts to it yet. So we have feelings and sensations of love. Anything really is related to the feeling of love, whether it's the opposite hate or not, but it's still based on love. Those are real, what we attach to it. Like I'm cold, for example. I'm just cold. If I attach a thought to it, like, my God, I wish I brought a warmer coat or something, now I'm suffering. I'm not suffering from being cold, I'm suffering from the thoughts that I attach to it. And so anything that we learn about the attachments to... something that we see, for example, I see a black person or I see a white person. I have thoughts about that person. Of course, I see the difference because some people say I don't see colors, like that's bullshit. Our brain works like, is it black? Is it white? Can I eat it? Can I not eat it? Can it eat me? that is just the discrimination that happens in our heads is real because that's our survival. But then we've got a whole different part of our brain. that we can interpret that in a different way with and that we can be mindful with in, you know, making the distinction about what is it? Is it a thought that I have? To give you an example, I lived in Kenya for a few years. And so as a white person between all black bodies for two years, I was sitting in my tattoo is just packed up between black people and whatever. I...
Rob Pene (07:36.984) Yeah. 43.97) Whoa.
BE Alink (07:53.219) After two years, I was in the underground in London and there's this big black guy sitting next to me and I felt myself just leaning into him because that felt comfortable. That's what I was taught. That had been normalized because I'd been between bodies for two years. And so we can train our brains by repetition to what we normalize. And If that had been a white guy, I would have definitely not leaned into him because white guys, you know, but because that was normalized for me because I repeated that so many times. This is how brain works by repetition. We create pathways and we normalize things. If we are exposed to violence and abuse over and over and over, we normalize violence and abuse. But it doesn't resonate with our hearts. So there's the, the, the.
Rob Pene (08:25.592) Thank you. 43.241) Yay!
BE Alink (08:49.647) the distinction that you can make in yourself, like what truly resonates with my heart. Why do people start crying when they see the monks?
Rob Pene (08:58.222) Mmm.
BE Alink (08:59.633) Because it resonates. Peace and love resonates with our hearts. All the rest, anything that is fear based is conditioned. Because fear doesn't exist. Fear is a control mechanism.
Rob Pene (09:11.79) Mmmmm
BE Alink (09:14.201) If is afraid of being blamed, it's going to blame the sibling. But that's behavior. Fear doesn't exist.
Rob Pene (09:18.124) Yep. Yes. 25.09) What about the fighter flight?
BE Alink (09:27.949) your primitive brain and survival. That's not fear. That is like, it can eat me, I need to fucking run. That's not survival. The fear as a control mechanism has been created to control us.
Rob Pene (09:31.882) Mmm. 37.742) Mmm. 49.134) So fear never existed in the beginning.
BE Alink (09:52.355) No, I don't think so.
Rob Pene (09:57.398) Hmm. And you're saying love existed in the beginning. So we're innately embedded with love in us.
BE Alink (10:05.211) We were not separated. When fear was created, we were separated from nature. I am different than a tree. Are we?
Rob Pene (10:14.87) Yeah. Yeah?
BE Alink (10:18.095) We're all frequencies. We all resonate on what's bigger than our bodies. We are a materialized frequency. This is why music works on us. As we resonate on music, we have all the language in our language, but we've forgotten where it came from. I resonate with something that you say is literally resonating because the intention underneath what you say is what my body responds to.
Rob Pene (10:20.876) Mmm. 29.762) Yeah. 34.958) with me. 47.926) Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What were you like when you were younger? Did you always have this inquisitive kind of like deeper disposition or did it kind of gradually build up to that? Because this is pretty fascinating.
BE Alink (10:48.891) that make sense?
BE Alink (11:05.553) I had a very strange dad that taught me very strange things. had a very strange grandmother who taught me very strange things. Strange as in normal, but not in this Western binary capitalistic system normal. For me, this is normal. Some people say like, B, you think so much outside the box. And I'm like, what box? I reckon that you live in a box, but I don't live in that box. I don't have that belief and construct.
Rob Pene (11:26.988) Yeah, yeah, yeah. 31.661) Yeah.
BE Alink (11:33.883) that keeps me locked up in this. I'm innately curious because what I think is true, if I walk to the other side and look at it from another perspective, it's a very different truth. My grandma taught me every day, choose somebody who walks, moves and feels different than you and borrow their shoes for a little bit.
Rob Pene (11:48.995) Yes. 59.086) Mmmmm
BE Alink (12:01.265) I still do that every day. When I walk in the street, I choose somebody who makes me feel most uncomfortable. I borrow their shoes and I'm like, oh, that's what the world looks like from their shoes. My truth is only my perception of my perspective. If I start thinking that that's the only true, now I've got a problem with you because you've got a different perspective and now we need to fight about it.
Rob Pene (12:24.046) Sure. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha.
BE Alink (12:26.897) So I'm not attached to my belief system because it's only my perspective. So by curiosity, and what my grandma obviously taught me is the essence of empathy.
Rob Pene (12:39.822) Mm.
BE Alink (12:41.243) by not being tied up with my own belief systems and, you know, digging into that. But it's like, try your shoes. It's like, it looks very different. And of course. And now, for example, if you look at what's happening, white men are feeling the victim of what's happening. And it could be like, that's ridiculous because white men have to all the... If you step in their shoes, it's like, of course, because if you're used to privilege,
Rob Pene (12:53.422) Right.
BE Alink (13:11.053) equality feels like oppression. Of course they feel like a victim because they're losing something. Their privileges that were over the back of many other people, but they don't feel that. They feel that they are losing something. So of course, of course they feel the victim. And when you step in their shoes, you can start seeing those things. And instead of, you know, that's ridiculous because white men do do do. Of course they feel like the victim. I agree, but I need to understand it. And if we don't tend to that in a certain way, you alienate them further and they're going to dig in harder into their privileges. 57.017) And we don't stand in our power. Everybody that was othered by the minority of white heterosexual temporarily able-bodied men that have more than a million in the bank that's less than 1 % of the whole population, that rules everything into minorities, as long as we continue to identify as the minorities against the white guys, we're not in our power. I live in a vast majority of diverse people that just want to be happy.
Rob Pene (14:29.454) Mmm.
BE Alink (14:32.177) I don't live in those minorities. They're constructs of fear, because now I've been made into a minority. By whom? I don't live in a minority at all.
Rob Pene (14:41.356) Mm-hmm. This is fascinating. What would you say is the purpose of people, of life? Is there a purpose to life?
BE Alink (14:54.065) we make it up as we go. don't think that trying to pin this life down and giving it purpose. If we live in the experience of we are all one with anything that is alive, plants, animals, humans, then the purpose is that we're
Rob Pene (15:18.222) Hmm?
BE Alink (15:23.397) that were in oneness, that were whole. And everybody is a part of the wholeness. And the moment we violate that, we violate the whole. 37.073) And so all the belief systems are to make us believe that we're an identity. Everything is an iPhone or an iPad. And I don't live in an I world. I live in somewhere where we are all one. And that is that I realized, I mean, there were a few things in my life that made me a little bit different. My father died when I was eight and I
Rob Pene (15:37.39) This is power.
BE Alink (16:06.267) then people disappeared because they were uncomfortable. They didn't know how to talk about us, how to talk with us because they were uncomfortable showing up for this dramatic loss. I realized as an eight year old girl that people choose their comfort over showing up for us.
Rob Pene (16:25.836) Okay. Okay. Yep. Yep.
BE Alink (16:26.747) So that was one thing. The second thing, I'm a gender weirdo. I never fitted in the typical girl or the typical boy thing. So I had to figure out who I was in a system that wants you to be a typical boy or a typical girl with a whole path lined up for you. So I had to figure out who I was. So I started becoming an inventor from a very young age because I didn't fit in my own culture. And in retrospect, I think that is one of the reasons that I went to Kenya because now I was
Rob Pene (16:55.63) Okay.
BE Alink (16:56.283) control of putting myself as a white person between the black people. Now I see it coming that I'm the weirdo because I placed myself there.
Rob Pene (17:04.727) Hey.
BE Alink (17:06.865) And so, and then when I was, and that led to 10 years international work, of which three and a half years in Afghanistan. And when I arrived in Afghanistan, there was a woman who changed my life. So that was in 2001. I walk into this village. It's 55 degrees Celsius, stinking hot. I don't know what that is in Fahrenheit, but 120 or something. It's hot.
Rob Pene (17:13.454) Mm-hmm.
BE Alink (17:37.273) And I walk into this village, I was new in Afghanistan just in the first two weeks or something. And I walk into this village with a project to restore houses, to rebuild houses for returning incomplete families or widows, people with disabilities, blah, blah, project that was described from a desk in Germany somewhere. Never met those people in the village. And I was walking into that village to make a selection of the beneficiaries for my project. And as I walked into the village, I was wondering like, who the crap am I to walk into this village of people that have gone through hell and back a few times, living in those circumstances in a sort of in-between village of ruins. And I'm here to select beneficiaries. felt the arrogance of the international developing work, right? And so I was deeply wondering like, who the fuck am I? This white person that walks into this village and you know, and this woman walks towards me. It's old woman, beautiful weathered face on her bare feet. And she grabs my hand and you know, when you meet somebody it's like you've got a certain distance. She got right into my face. I was like,
Rob Pene (18:31.596) Hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
BE Alink (18:55.683) I think we're meeting. And she grabs my hand and she said with crappy translations, obviously, she said, I see you're wondering. You're wondering that you're this Khadidji, foreigner who walks into my village with a fancy project. And you're wondering that I'm this old poor woman who's never left my village. She said, come to my house and we meet again. And so she holds my hand and walks. walks me to her house, which is just a few eroded walls, no roof, some burlap in the holes as an entrance. She sits me down on her mattresses, on her toshaks, and goes behind a wall to come back with green tea and whatever. And then she said, I want you to close your eyes and don't open them until I ask you. So I do. I'm sweating because it's flipping hot. And then she starts asking questions, not for me to answer them, but just suspending questions in the air. Who are you now with your eyes closed? Who am I now with my eyes closed? And very soon I started just weeping. It's like, we are not that what we see. We materialize. With looking at you, I materialize who you are because I've got...
Rob Pene (20:12.652) Mm-hmm.
BE Alink (20:22.745) trained, conditioned thoughts that I attach to a guy with this, with that, your external characteristics. And I determine who you are by my belief systems, by what I've been taught about what you represent. If I close my eyes and we just talk, we're in the resonance of each other's voices. We are all one. I just started weeping. I was like...
Rob Pene (20:24.951) Mm-hmm.
BE Alink (20:50.215) my God, that is why Afghans are so calm. And just there was a gentleness and a kindness in Afghanistan between people that I was like, what is this? Why are they so content? They seemed so content. And I was like, you're living in ruined homes right after the Taliban stopped working, the country got occupied, there's no...
Rob Pene (20:55.854) Mmm.
BE Alink (21:18.725) There's nothing at that time. was no mobile phones. was nothing. The choice was green tea or black tea. Once you get that, you always get that tea. But they were so peaceful. And I always wondered about that in those first weeks. And in that moment with her, I started realizing like, they don't live in this consensus reality of material.
Rob Pene (21:25.815) Hmm. 36.31) No. 44.482) Yeah, yeah.
BE Alink (21:45.303) that we need to deal with because we happen to have those bodies and what a gift to be in this body that I have all those senses and sensations but they live in where we are all one where we are all connected they live in peace changed me for the rest of my life. then after, and you know after a while she said my grandmother was blind and she taught me she never read a book obviously because she was blind but she had wisdom. And she said when my grandmother died my light went out but when I closed my eyes I'm back in the light.
Rob Pene (22:21.622) Hmm.
BE Alink (22:22.853) And I feel that you can see that light too.
Rob Pene (22:25.422) Hmm.
BE Alink (22:27.845) And then she said, now you can open your eyes. And it was nearly four hours further. I'd been completely altered. That was a planned medicine experience without planned medicine. But it had that completely transcended into oneness.
Rob Pene (22:48.184) So interesting.
BE Alink (22:49.605) changed my life forever. I've never been. Because this consensus reality is what we have been like. We have Western science here that tells us that we can only believe what we can prove.
Rob Pene (22:51.075) Yeah.
Rob Pene (23:04.226) Yeah.
BE Alink (23:04.303) Really? Why do I need to believe it when I can prove it? It's proof that's different than believing something. Which also renders all my personal experiences nullifies it because I can't prove my experiences. Therefore Western science tells me what I experience is not nothing worth. That's what fear and consumerism is based on. Because if I don't feel worthy in everything that I experience,
Rob Pene (23:09.208) Right. 34.369) Yep.
BE Alink (23:35.619) If I'm not trained to be happy and healthy, but trained to be unhealthy and unhappy and in fear and scarcity, I become a very good target to become a consumer of buying all this shit to try and make me feel happy or healthy. But it doesn't work because that's not where happiness and healthiness and health live. So the Western science is the instrument and top that up with capitalism and
Rob Pene (23:54.446) No.
BE Alink (24:04.731) churches and all that stuff, all the constant stuff we've been taught to be unworthy. So we become good consumers of all the stuff that kills us. Because everything...
Rob Pene (24:06.583) Yeah. 17.602) which is backwards. Yeah, it's backwards.
BE Alink (24:22.127) But we need to see it. That's the awakening that needs to happen. by consuming stuff that kills us. I am part of the system that kills us. Consuming the shit that kills us. Stop buying from all those industries that are destructive. Eat plants, just plants. You're fine. Every, every argument that you say, can't eat that. It's all conditioned thoughts.
Rob Pene (24:31.638) Yeah, yeah. 42.933) Yeah 49.71) Right. So you're saying that people can change by changing the way they think.
BE Alink (25:00.507) Change of the world is an inside job.
Rob Pene (25:05.262) That's good.
BE Alink (25:06.287) Because who am I to change the world? That's arrogance. I can only change myself by understanding who I am and by standing in my power to how powerful I am when I'm not conditioned but are anchored in love in my heart. That resonates with people. People resonate to that. And then you become a magnet. The more people become whole. If I choose to be a kind person,
Rob Pene (25:29.144) Mm.
BE Alink (25:35.161) It's really hard in this world because if I go to the supermarket, 97 % of the products are not kind. It's not a kind choice because they're all linked to industries that abuse and that destruct. So being a kind person is really hard, but it's the only thing that I can live with myself. And then to be congruent with that choice, I want to be a kind person. Now I need to be congruent with that choice in all my actions. that's where it changes. That's where I change myself as a puppet of a capitalistic system to a person that is sovereign.
Rob Pene (26:14.626) Mmm. Mmm.
BE Alink (26:15.439) And of course, plant-based people and queer people are scrutinized and villainized because they hold up the mirror to the capitalistic system. So of course they need to be, you know, slaughtered off.
Rob Pene (26:33.87) Mmm.
BE Alink (26:35.725) I am extreme because I only eat plants. don't call myself a vegan because veganism is linked to animal rights and plant-based is more holistic in my mind. It's animal rights and earth rights and my own health.
Rob Pene (26:51.084) Yep. Yep.
BE Alink (26:52.527) You know, look at our teeth. We're not meat eaters. That's a conditioned and marketed thing to make us eat shit that is built on violence and abuse.
Rob Pene (26:56.174) Mm-hmm.
BE Alink (27:08.657) If I'm a kind person, can't do that anymore because I can't participate in that. That doesn't make me a kind person. So choosing kindness and living accordingly is where the world changes. And you see it now, the more and more people denounce eating meat, for example, the more slaughterhouses close because if the demand minimizes, they...
Rob Pene (27:31.298) Mmm.
BE Alink (27:37.563) They only produce what is being sold. So we stop buying it, it stop existing. But we can only, like if I'm against those industries, I'm still feeding those industries as I'm still continuing to eat stuff. I'm against Coca-Cola, but I'm still drinking Coca-Cola, for example. Coca-Cola uses three liters of water to make one liter of Coca-Cola.
Rob Pene (28:04.866) Mmm. Mmm.
BE Alink (28:07.459) in places here in Canada where Indigenous people don't have access to clean drinking water and Coca-Cola has not limited their water use. That's criminal. So stop buying all the products that are from Coca-Cola and everything that's in the supermarket is owned by 10 major corporations. Do your homework, see what is produced by whom, don't buy their shit anymore. First of all, it's not food, it makes us sick. It's like, it is a scam and it's a marketing tool that banks on that.
Rob Pene (28:40.622) It's a scam.
BE Alink (28:50.384) We are not happy and healthy and that we need to consume things to make us feel happy and healthy. That's a scam in itself because I can choose to be a happy person regardless of my circumstances. Right. I don't need to have a big house or a big car to be happy. The opposite rather. I just need to have a bed at night that is somewhere dry, somewhat warm or cold, depending on which country you live.
Rob Pene (28:58.732) Yeah
Rob Pene (29:04.108) Yes. Yeah. 19.544) Mm-hmm.
BE Alink (29:21.798) and have my basics in place. Like when I lived in Kenya, I lived in the slums in Kenya. I met the happy people there. Poor people and people that are suffering from the basic needs is a very different thing.
Rob Pene (29:27.084) Wow. Wow.
BE Alink (29:36.996) I met poor people. I was raised in a poor family. So I sort of have my own references to not having money to buy everything. But that actually was a beautiful way to grow up because I know that happiness is coming from something very different than buying shit.
Rob Pene (29:57.635) Yeah. Yeah, you have a thing.
BE Alink (30:00.21) But yeah, the poor people in the slums in Kenya, that is amongst the happiest people I've ever met. They were not suffering from, you know, I've seen that too. People that have dying kids because they didn't have access to clean drinking water. We have that here in Canada. You don't have to go to Africa to see that. Indigenous people are dying in Canada because they don't have access to clean drinking water and they're highly polluted sources.
Rob Pene (30:07.052) I bet, I bet. 18.446) Mm. 22.723) Yeah.
BE Alink (30:30.577) Etc, etc. to the whole concept of what are developing countries and what are not. It's like, it, it's all a construct.
Rob Pene (30:39.598) Yeah, yeah, the frame of mind. Every bit of it. That's crazy. Crazy to think. Yeah.
BE Alink (30:43.067) everything is. 48.794) increasingly good to become aware of because then you can start making like okay I don't want to be that consumer that supports the system that kills us all. I mean if you look at what humanity is doing it is the stupidest experiment in the universe ever that we as so-called smart people destroy the very environment that we need to survive.
Rob Pene (31:14.795) Lift up.
BE Alink (31:15.834) It is the dumbest experience in the whole universe. And we're actively participating in it by consuming on and on all the stuff that kills us. Crazy.
Rob Pene (31:27.404) Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you have a grounded perspective and a good soul. And I'm glad that you're you're doing podcasts, so more people can hear and be encouraged. And then obviously, as people resonate with your message, then they replicate it and it just grows from there. So I think happiness is huge. Yeah. Yeah.
BE Alink (31:51.792) And choice, it's dependent on any material stuff around us. And suffering is the thoughts that are attached to the situation that I'm in.
Rob Pene (32:05.858) Yeah, and you can choose, I guess, yeah, to see it differently. Boy, this is good.
BE Alink (32:11.442) It's the only way that we wake up. Now, the current situation in the US, for example, drives people into situations that suffering is not a thought process anymore. I just had a message from one of our, like I invented a walking bike, the Alinker. And so I'm in contact with the people that buy Alinker and that are changed their lives on Alinker because mobility is medicine.
Rob Pene (32:40.258) Yeah. Ooh. Ooh, good.
BE Alink (32:42.694) But I had a message from a person this morning and she said, the stuff that we've been stripped from, nobody pays my MS medication anymore. And the amount of suicides amongst people with MS is growing rapidly because the suffering is deliberately put on people that we already rendered worthless in this society.
Rob Pene (33:06.563) Hmm.
BE Alink (33:15.567) All the care. 20.006) crazy isn't it? They're all sides of genocides because it's disrupting the system that makes money over sick people, that disrupts the system that makes money over the back of animals.
Rob Pene (33:21.57) Yeah. 28.172) Yeah. Yeah.
BE Alink (33:36.198) So this is the time where you choose who you want to be.
Rob Pene (33:40.684) Yeah, and that's such a powerful message.
BE Alink (33:41.938) Do you want to continue to be part of the destructive species? Or do you want to be a kind person? And that has consequences.
Rob Pene (33:54.872) Yeah, which is crazy to me.
BE Alink (33:59.078) Awareness is dangerous because it has consequences for your behavior, otherwise you're not congruent and you can't sleep with yourself. The moment you see it, you cannot unsee it.
Rob Pene (34:06.478) Hmm. 10.35) Mmm.
BE Alink (34:11.302) don't want to see it because it has consequences. And they want to continue on all their little privileges, regardless whether that kills the world, regardless whether that is massively abusive to animals and other people and nature. Very environment that we need to survive.
Rob Pene (34:26.167) Yeah. Yeah.
BE Alink (34:31.398) But no, I have the right to eat my steak. It's crazy. Why?
Rob Pene (34:35.532) It tastes good. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. You should, you should do a documentary. You should write a series of Yeah. Yeah.
BE Alink (34:48.242) I have written a book actually. I wrote my memoirs last year. Yeah.
Rob Pene (34:54.35) Yeah, yeah get on more podcasts get on TV this is I think
BE Alink (35:02.62) Well, you asked the whole Netflix thing is like, I'm And we're ready. And with the composition, that is going to be huge. think. Yeah. Because as you entrain the brain, understanding how the brain works and what frequencies our brain waves are working on in different states of sleep or awake, you know, you can make music that affects the brain.
Rob Pene (35:06.081) Yeah, yeah. 12.33) Yeah. Yeah. Good for you. 31.95) Hmm.
BE Alink (35:32.774) to calm down, for example. And if we ask people to change, when you're running on an empty battery, because your sympathetic fight and flight system is always activated, you can't get to deep sleep, you can't restore. You're running on an empty battery, you ask somebody on an empty battery to make a change, they don't have the energy, so they're like, no, no, no, no, I can't even think about that. I'm gonna dig into what I know, even if that kills me.
Rob Pene (35:34.574) Mm-hmm. 48.238) Mmm.
Rob Pene (36:01.166) Right. Wow.
BE Alink (36:02.972) So this music tricks the brain in like, I think we can relax. It's safe now. And then your restorative systems in your body from your autonomic nervous system can restart. Your spinal fluids start flushing out the toxins from your brain. Your hormone levels are normalized. Your cells are regenerated. All those processes only happen during deep sleep. If we cannot get to deep sleep, we slowly empty our battery and we're running on empty. That's what most people are. Stress is the main reason for chronic disease. Stress is exactly that. We're constantly not safe in our sympathetic fight and flight system. Like, my God, the stress of not having enough money to stress off like the neighbors are like all that stuff. Stresses that our bodies are not made for. That stress on your homeostasis, unbalanced homeostasis, causes you to not be able to restore. People don't get to deep sleep, so you can't restore. So they're running on an empty battery. And on an empty battery, you only hold on to what you know, what's familiar, even if it kills you, because you don't have the energy to make changes.
Rob Pene (37:21.091) Great.
BE Alink (37:26.694) So with my composition, I'm hoping that people just listen to the music. All you have to do is put your headphones on because it is important that you have left and right different inputs so your brain is entrained and can neutralize. And now the restorative processes can start. And I've got the first feedback of people over the last month that I started exposing people to the music and that's exactly what's happening. my God, I feel energized when I wake up because they went to deep sleep and those restorative processes can start again. Now they can consider change because they've got the energy again. Now you can talk to people about maybe we need to become aware of who we are.
Rob Pene (37:54.062) What?
Rob Pene (38:11.052) Right. Yeah.
BE Alink (38:12.838) When people are running on an empty battery, they can't hear anything. They just are digging into what they have because they have no energy. And the little I have left is only for calamities. I'm digging in, even if it kills me. That's what you see everywhere. People are digging into what they know, even if that's violence and abuse, because that's all they know. That was normalized.
Rob Pene (38:33.516) Yeah, Unfortunately. Yeah. This is all fascinating, man. This is so, so, so crazy. It's another level of understanding that I think is an awareness that's important to get out. If people wanted to follow you, where could they go?
BE Alink (38:56.374) well for the linker for the walking bike, that is the, you just Google a linker, a L I N K E R anything goes there. My name is B a link. That's what the walking bike is called after. And you can my book. can, I'm everywhere.
Rob Pene (39:12.405) Nice. 16.396) Yeah. And YouTube, have a lot. you have material on YouTube to content on YouTube?
BE Alink (39:21.458) We've got a lot of stuff on YouTube. If you want to know more about the composition, then go to bealink.world. That is my personal sort of placeholder website. It's not really a website. It's just one of those placeholder things where all the links are to end the composition to the campaign to launch it and the book. And I narrated my own book, so it's...
Rob Pene (39:31.118) Cool.
BE Alink (39:48.006) There's an audio book available on Spotify, for example, you can listen to that. And it's got everything about the 10 year international work, how that gave me a perspective on the Western world and how I was raised by my father and grandmother that make me a person I am with different perspectives.
Rob Pene (39:51.757) Yeah.
Rob Pene (40:09.164) Yep. that's bealink.world.
BE Alink (40:11.954) B-E-A-L-I-N-K dot world. Yes.
Rob Pene (40:17.268) world. Okay, I'm gonna check it out. I'm gonna check it out.
BE Alink (40:20.442) Yeah, then email me. I'm very available and just send me an email if you want to talk more or if you know other broadcast or whatever.
Rob Pene (40:27.596) Yeah. Yeah, this is great. I appreciate you. Thank you. Yeah. Okay.
BE Alink (40:31.804) Thank you, Rope.
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